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andrewunknown
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| Quote: | | But, I confess that I am a bit concerned about that Puff Daddy/P Diddy/Puffy avatar he uses at the LH forum.... |
It's just the image of my favorite entertainers, who is also a very successful entrepreneur; something to admire. You find it concerning, may I know why?
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I'm not actually concerned - just being a bit silly. 
Being serious now: I did have a look over the "trading zone" at the forum and was further impressed by posts you've made there; esp. the "detailed betfair sessions". Every session you've posted there reflects an outstanding success rate and a very high yield on the funds you had in play.
Take your 3rd session on 11/15/05, for instance, where you almost doubled ($56 to $105) your principal in a bit over an hour's time. The screenshots from your other sessions reflect the similar success. Please understand I'm not calling your screenshots into question, and don't find rather impressive returns to be suspicious or the result of reckless betting. Instead, I wonder if you could provide some explanation for the contrast between returns such as those I've referenced above and the returns you are currently posting. I don't want to presume to know the details of your money management strategy, but from your comments elsewhere ("Multiple small sessions with a very high winning over losing ratio is the secret behind our consistent profits" from Jude's interview, etc.), it seems likely you're pursuing a much more conservative approach.
Also, from the commentary on your 11/15/05 session:
"I play up to 5 sessions each day, each session with a small portion of the total amount of capital available. Each session consists of 25 - 150 smaller bets. The last session for today consisted of 29 bets, 21 winners versus 8 losers: 72.41% winners versus 27.58% losers, although if I would have continued played a bit longer the ratio would have been closer to Fibonacci's ratio of 61.8% winners versus 38.2% losers."
A good, general explanation of how you go about doing what you do. I see that your W/L ratio is in the 2:1 range, approaching and leveling out to the .618/.382 Fib as the quantity of trades increases. With appropriate, disciplined money management, this ratio can (and apparently does) yield excellent results. But again, it appears that your trading for the program is very conservative, much more so, in fact, given that a winning trade/bet is fairly probable statistically. A simple explanation is that you're being "very careful" - but could you elaborate a bit? Do you think you're being overly circumspect at this point (nothing wrong with that, really) to virtually guarantee returns and/or to build the program slowly, establishing a more mature member base by posting modest (well, in HYIP terms, anyway) returns weekly rather than what it appears you're capable of producing.
I may be reading your performance incorrectly, and so most of this might be nonsense. But if not, I look forward to an informative reply....
Thanks, Dan! LH looks very promising!
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OptimusLH
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| Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 1:32 am Post subject: |
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My friend, I think you have a very accurate idea of how everything works 
Most of the sessions posted at my forum were made specifically for demonstration purposes: longer sessions with quite a number of bets, spanned over 1 - 3 hours. That is why I chose them in the first place, because they statistically prove what I was explaining.
(Yesterday's) Session #1: 1,90% profit.
If the 5% capital allocation was $500 for example, at the end of the session we had $690, $500 initial plus 38% profit ($190 profit). A nice quick gain, and I have no reason why I shouldn't stop and take it off the table, and just return later, for another try.
Why aren't all sessions like that? Because it is faster and safer to take small gains several times and keep doing that every day. So you are not wrong. I am working very safe...I have released my personal DD information to Jude, with veeery long term growth plans in my mind, I want to post real, positive and even more important consistent profits week after week, if the market lets me do so; but I am not playing it too safe, considering a monthly 10% - 18% average net profit
Regards,
Dan
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andrewunknown
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| Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:54 am Post subject: |
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| OptimusLH wrote: | My friend, I think you have a very accurate idea of how everything works
Most of the sessions posted at my forum were made specifically for demonstration purposes: longer sessions with quite a number of bets, spanned over 1 - 3 hours. That is why I chose them in the first place, because they statistically prove what I was explaining. |
That makes good sense, and I appreciate your thoughtfulness in presenting that material, in particular, rather than shorter sessions. As you say here and there - rightfully - 'Multiple small sessions with a very high winning over losing ratio is the secret behind our consistent profits' and - since you can accomplish them over a high quantity of trades - "High returns truly represent better performance, instead of higher risks." A longer session simply bears that point out in greater clarity.
| OptimusLH wrote: | (Yesterday's) Session #1: 1,90% profit
5% capital allocation |
If you abide by it (and every trader knows that is one of the most vital components to becoming and remaining successful), that's a very responsible allocation/exposure threshold - no "I lost 95% of the program funds today after my computer locked up and I couldn't get out of a trade that went against me" or some such nonsense is possible!
| OptimusLH wrote: | | Why aren't all sessions like that? Because it is faster and safer to take small gains several times and keep doing that every day. |
In effect, if not in exact practice, you're a scalper - a gunslinger, but a gunslinger who has an eye and mind for connecting with his targets. I do the same thing (except for the occasional day trade or swing trade) with futures.
| OptimusLH wrote: | | I have released my personal DD information to Jude, with veeery long term growth plans in my mind, I want to post real, positive and even more important consistent profits week after week, if the market lets me do so |
That sounds great - I sometimes correspond with Jude, so I'll have to chat with him (though of course I'm not going to solicit your details from him). Since this is the introductory phase of the program, I imagine your plans are, indeed long-term. Your program isn't sensationalist material, as you no doubt know, so it will grow slowly, but it will ramp up to healthy growth and relative popularity of you continue to simply do what you're doing (if you're indeed doing what you say you're doing, and I have no reason to believe you aren't). If previous programs offering a comparable return serve as a precedent, LH will be much talked about and widely invested in come early/mid-spring '07. I look forward to watching things develop.... |
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OptimusLH
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| Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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Betfair is offline for 8 hours today due to another major upgrade to their website.
I will continue playing tonight, until then this is our (not permanent) return for today:
6th December: 1 sessions.
Session #1: 0.60% profit
Result: 0.60% profit
| Quote: | Betfair is currently unavailable. Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience that this may cause.
Please check our dedicated service site http://service.betfair.info for more information about this downtime.
Site Upgrade Wednesday 6th December 4am-12pm (UKT)
Please be aware that we are carrying out a major upgrade to the Betfair site on Wednesday 6th December from 4am-12pm (UKT). During this period customers will be unable to access the site to place, amend or cancel bets. The Betfair Poker site will also be unavailable during this time.
Our Casino and Exchange Games sites will continue to be available to those customers already logged in, however you will not be able to transfer any new funds to or from these accounts until the other sites become available again.
Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience caused during this time and we look forward to welcoming you to a more integrated, new look Betfair site very shortly.
Kind regards
Betfair |
Regards,
Dan
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andrewunknown
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| Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| nobshyip wrote: | | Hey andrew, saw the email yet? |
Hey Jude - I did and have been meaning to respond. Thanks for sending it, and I'll get back with you later today!  |
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andrewunknown
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| Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| OptimusLH wrote: | | Betfair is offline for 8 hours today due to another major upgrade to their website. |
Thanks for the update, Dan - no one would complain about .6% on the day, but it's good to see you're striving for more! |
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OptimusLH
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| Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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0.60% net profit is great, and even if nobody would complain about it, maybe there is more to be made tonight, with minimal risks...we\'ll see!
Regards,
Dan
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OptimusLH
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| Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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Played two more sessions after Betfair website came back up and almost doubled our morning return.
6th December: 2 sessions.
Session #1: 0.60% profit
Session #2: 0.20% loss
Session #3: 0.70% profit
End Result: 1.10% profit
Great week, what a great week!
Regards,
Dan - Optimus
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andrewunknown
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:53 am Post subject: |
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Great week, what a great week!
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3.8% with two days left - no pressure, and I'm sure you'll stay cool, but we could have a fiver coming! That'd be a record for the program, no?
Dan, just an FYI: I left you a PM at the LH forum - do read it when you have a moment....
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Skyct
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jo
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| Skyct wrote: | OptimusLH,
I have a ?
Why did you choose Katz Global Domain Name Trust as your hosting?
You seem to be running an honest hyip  |
I found this forum through some digging:
http://www.web-life.org/vb/...p;goto=nextoldest
where someone posed the very same question with this response:
"Webhosting criterias for future website expansion included offshore placement, PHP5; Katzglobal offshore hosting in India covers those needs, so it was a logical choice to choose them." |
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jo
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:26 am Post subject: |
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looking over at http://www.hyipdiscussion.c...=28126&page=4 I see a question about proofs of trading which you replied :
I cannot reveal more proofs from Betfair except the sessions that were made exactly with this purpose, as demonstration.
looking at befair :
How can I review my account activity?
Details of your account information are held within the ‘My Account’ section, accessible from the top menu when logged into your account. This information is only stored on-line for 3 months, but the Helpdesk can provide you with any historical information about your account that you require.
The My Account section includes details of:
- Current bets (Matched and Unmatched),
- your “Profit and Loss” (how much you have won and lost by sport or time),
- your Betting History, and
- your Account Summary, including a full statement and Betfair Points Statement.
If you are using betfair to generate these returns, you should be able to take a screenshot of your betfair history for this, unless I'm missing something I don't understand? |
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OptimusLH
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:36 am Post subject: |
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Andrewunknown, finished reading your PM and corrected the issues, thank you!
A record return will be nice, and by the looks of it it\'s very likely we\'ll get one.
Skyct. The answers I provided at web-life.org forum are correct, those are my reasons for choosing Katz Global.
Jo, I have already used Betfairs History function to provide the demonstration sessions that show my system\'s effectiveness.
Check the demonstration sessions I am talking about here.
If what I am doing at Betfair was just skill, natural talent as some call it, I would happily provide you with the entire 8000 pages of history I have for this year and last year, so you can print them and do whatever with them LOL.
But that is not the case, so I want to keep it a secret for myself and for my future use; the demonstration sessions are the only glimpses of it you will see.
Regards,
Dan - Optimus
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jo
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for your answer to my previous question. What would you do if your weekly program exceeded the profit of 15% that you keep in your e-gold account? |
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